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		<title>Comment on Improbable simple hypotheses are unbelievable by paulfchristiano</title>
		<link>http://ordinaryideas.wordpress.com/2012/12/11/improbable-simple-hypotheses-are-unbelievable/#comment-198</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[paulfchristiano]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2014 04:51:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s right---it&#039;s the combination of improbability and simplicity that makes a hypothesis unbelievable.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s right&#8212;it&#8217;s the combination of improbability and simplicity that makes a hypothesis unbelievable.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Improbable simple hypotheses are unbelievable by esrogs</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2014 04:49:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Does H have to be a simple hypothesis for this argument to hold? It looks to me like the math goes through as long as P(H) &lt;&lt; 2^(-&#124;H&#124;). Is that right?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does H have to be a simple hypothesis for this argument to hold? It looks to me like the math goes through as long as P(H) &lt;&lt; 2^(-|H|). Is that right?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Straightforward vs. goal-oriented communication by Neotenic</title>
		<link>http://ordinaryideas.wordpress.com/2014/08/23/straightforward-vs-goal-oriented-communication/#comment-194</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2014 20:10:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My comment got cut by my phone. Continuing: Beyond Belief as well as Surfaces and Essences bring us a perspective on communication and how thoughts are concocted in the mind that leave little to no room for assumptions that the mind is a precise engine, that there is such a thing as a language of thought, or that communication could be fully (or 93%) not goal oriented.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My comment got cut by my phone. Continuing: Beyond Belief as well as Surfaces and Essences bring us a perspective on communication and how thoughts are concocted in the mind that leave little to no room for assumptions that the mind is a precise engine, that there is such a thing as a language of thought, or that communication could be fully (or 93%) not goal oriented.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Straightforward vs. goal-oriented communication by Diego Caleiro</title>
		<link>http://ordinaryideas.wordpress.com/2014/08/23/straightforward-vs-goal-oriented-communication/#comment-192</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Diego Caleiro]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2014 22:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is a lot of literature on speech acts, including attempts to frame goal oriented communication as factual truth valued claims. See e.g. Beyond Belief. The assumption that communication without goal grounding is possible seems tenuous at best. To know what you mean,I need a model if your desires as much as I need your words. Furthermore, analogies may be sine qua non conditions for much of	 communication, as contended by Hofstadter latest book. Beyond belief]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a lot of literature on speech acts, including attempts to frame goal oriented communication as factual truth valued claims. See e.g. Beyond Belief. The assumption that communication without goal grounding is possible seems tenuous at best. To know what you mean,I need a model if your desires as much as I need your words. Furthermore, analogies may be sine qua non conditions for much of	 communication, as contended by Hofstadter latest book. Beyond belief</p>
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		<title>Comment on Approval-seeking by MIRI&#039;s September Newsletter &#124; Machine Intelligence Research Institute</title>
		<link>http://ordinaryideas.wordpress.com/2014/07/21/approval-seeking/#comment-172</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MIRI&#039;s September Newsletter &#124; Machine Intelligence Research Institute]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2014 20:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] to MIRI&#8217;s Friendly AI interests: &#8220;Three impacts of machine intelligence,&#8221; &#8220;Approval-seeking [agents],&#8221; &#8220;Straightforward vs. goal-oriented communication,&#8221; &#8220;Specifying a human [&#8230;]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] to MIRI&#8217;s Friendly AI interests: &#8220;Three impacts of machine intelligence,&#8221; &#8220;Approval-seeking [agents],&#8221; &#8220;Straightforward vs. goal-oriented communication,&#8221; &#8220;Specifying a human [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Approval-seeking by Keith Henson</title>
		<link>http://ordinaryideas.wordpress.com/2014/07/21/approval-seeking/#comment-156</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Keith Henson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2014 04:38:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have talked about approval or status seeking as motivation for AIs for a long time, perhaps ten years and about that being a prime and relatively benign human motivation for even longer.  Happy to see the meme getting attention/expansion. 

Old stuff here, http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/dsp.cgi?msg=30170

Here is how I treated it in fiction:

&quot;As soon as the seed finished the dish (after consulting its clock, 
its GPS location and the place of the sun), it aligned the dish on 
the African net communication transponder attached to the 
geosynchronous ring and asked for a permanently assigned address on 
the net.  Up to that point the clinic seed was a generic 
product.  The address it was assigned was just a string of 
hexadecimal numbers but it was a _unique number_!  The clinic&#039;s 
personality was human in that it could feel happy, even smug, about 
acquiring its very own _unique identification_.

&quot;The clinic had other carefully selected human personality 
characteristics such as seeking the good opinion of its peers (humans 
and other of its kind alike).  It also had a few unhuman limits.

More if you google &quot;keith henson&quot; status AI evolutionary psychology

The way you presented it is more rigorous than what I did.

Thanks.

Keith Henson]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have talked about approval or status seeking as motivation for AIs for a long time, perhaps ten years and about that being a prime and relatively benign human motivation for even longer.  Happy to see the meme getting attention/expansion. </p>
<p>Old stuff here, <a href="http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/dsp.cgi?msg=30170" rel="nofollow">http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/dsp.cgi?msg=30170</a></p>
<p>Here is how I treated it in fiction:</p>
<p>&#8220;As soon as the seed finished the dish (after consulting its clock,<br />
its GPS location and the place of the sun), it aligned the dish on<br />
the African net communication transponder attached to the<br />
geosynchronous ring and asked for a permanently assigned address on<br />
the net.  Up to that point the clinic seed was a generic<br />
product.  The address it was assigned was just a string of<br />
hexadecimal numbers but it was a _unique number_!  The clinic&#8217;s<br />
personality was human in that it could feel happy, even smug, about<br />
acquiring its very own _unique identification_.</p>
<p>&#8220;The clinic had other carefully selected human personality<br />
characteristics such as seeking the good opinion of its peers (humans<br />
and other of its kind alike).  It also had a few unhuman limits.</p>
<p>More if you google &#8220;keith henson&#8221; status AI evolutionary psychology</p>
<p>The way you presented it is more rigorous than what I did.</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
<p>Keith Henson</p>
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		<title>Comment on Specifying &#8220;enlightened judgment&#8221; precisely (reprise) by Challenges for extrapolation &#124; Ordinary Ideas</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Challenges for extrapolation &#124; Ordinary Ideas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2014 03:57:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on The motivated simulator argument by Specifying &#8220;enlightened judgment&#8221; precisely (reprise) &#124; Ordinary Ideas</title>
		<link>http://ordinaryideas.wordpress.com/2012/05/24/solomonoff-induction-and-simulations/#comment-153</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Specifying &#8220;enlightened judgment&#8221; precisely (reprise) &#124; Ordinary Ideas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2014 01:28:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] and it&#8217;s hard to say how that would end. This is the human version of the problem I described here; to the extent that humans can avoid such problems it shouldn&#8217;t really be any more of a [&#8230;]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] and it&#8217;s hard to say how that would end. This is the human version of the problem I described here; to the extent that humans can avoid such problems it shouldn&#8217;t really be any more of a [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Specifying a human precisely (reprise) by Specifying &#8220;enlightened judgment&#8221; precisely (reprise) &#124; Ordinary Ideas</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Specifying &#8220;enlightened judgment&#8221; precisely (reprise) &#124; Ordinary Ideas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2014 01:28:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] Specifying a human precisely&#160;(reprise) [&#8230;]]]></description>
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		<title>Comment on Approval-seeking by Specifying &#8220;enlightened judgment&#8221; precisely (reprise) &#124; Ordinary Ideas</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Specifying &#8220;enlightened judgment&#8221; precisely (reprise) &#124; Ordinary Ideas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2014 01:28:18 +0000</pubDate>
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